Seventh Day Adventism vs. Catholicism

curiouserLong delay since last post. We are selling our farm, buying a house in town, and I just changed jobs after 14 years! Oh, and I hurt my lower back again so sitting and writing at the computer has been painful.

In the meantime, I received this email challenge from a Seventh Day Adventist. Very respectful tone. I told him I probably would not have time to respond on my blog but would follow his posts on his website.


Briefly by way of introduction, since you may not know about me, I am a layman Seventh-day Adventist, 63, retired from the U.S. Air Force, that was raised as a Lutheran but became Adventist in 1993 after being introduced to what the Bible really teaches, while attending a Daniel and Revelation prophecy seminar, presented in Hawaii by an Adventist pastor. That was indeed an eye opening experience that has had me studying the Bible very deeply ever since. My web site was the method I choose to share and explain what I have learned since becoming Adventist. I have had no formal theological training from either university or seminary, I am just a layman, yet I submit to you the following open invitation that will soon be posted on my web site:

I have only just this evening become aware of your web site St. Joseph’s Vanguard | Catholic Apologetics and Agrarianism and your book The Protestant’s Dilemma: How the Reformation’s Shocking Consequences Point to the Truth of Catholicism which, on the face of it, is a very interesting premise. Other than that intriguing title, I don’t have any further information regarding the 30+ tenets of Protestantism that you follow to what you claim to be their logical conclusion, i.e., the truth of Roman Catholicism.

So, with that in mind, I propose to discuss with you via email, the 30+ Protestant tenets (which again, are as yet sight unseen by me), in an open, public discussion that will be posted on both our web sites. Through the scriptures I will present, it will be amply evident that your conclusion is in error, that Roman Catholicism is not the truth that you suppose it is. This will be done respectfully, in a decent, scholarly and orderly manner, by letting the Bible interpret itself, so that the truth will be readily apparent to those who seek it. The Bible will clearly reveal that Roman Catholicism is in fact, the very antipode of truth. That it alone is identified specifically and beyond any doubt, to be the apostate persecuting harlot church of Revelation 12 and 17, and that the papacy (the entire papal dynasty) is none other than the little horn of Daniel, the man of lawlessness, the beast of Revelation 13, the antichrist.

So, I await either your courageous acceptance of this invitation to defend and stand for what you think to be true in an open public discussion, or your declination. In any case, it is my intent to address your book soon on my web site, as stated above, with or without your participation.

– Michael

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How We Can Know Premarital Sex Is Wrong

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I need to apologize. My post last week with the sensational title about the Bible being silent on premarital sex took my playing Confused Millennial Protestant Advocate too far.

As several readers pointed out in the comments, there are passages that, when properly understood, forbid premarital sex. While there is no explicit prooftext that says, “premarital sex is sinful,” most Protestants don’t require such prooftexts, being willing to take the preponderance of the evidence of the Scriptures as a whole as making a compelling case against premarital sex.

Knowing From the Natural Law

I’ll get back to that idea in a minute. But another argument made in the comments was also important: Brent brought up that the natural law itself reveals to us that premarital sex is wrong. I find this argument interesting for a few reasons. First, even when I was an atheist I believed sex was best saved for marriage. Second, if the natural law argument holds, it means that even without divine revelation in the Scriptures and Tradition we can know premarital sex is wrong.

Catholics (and some Protestants) accept natural law theory. God has written certain truths upon our hearts, and we can know them apart from revelation. Murder and stealing are wrong, for example.

One problem comes from the fact that many Protestants do not know or believe in the natural law. Instead, they hold to a sort of divine positivism where the only thing that is true is what is explicitly found in the Scriptures themselves.

Scripture and Tradition

The comments include various passages that can be connected and plausibly interpreted to forbid premarital sex. As a Protestant, I found these compelling. I think the Scriptural case against premarital sex is much stronger than the one for it, which mainly trades on ambiguities with word usages. Solid exegesis tips the scales heavily in favor of the traditional belief.

That said, the Scriptures are never interpreted in a vacuum. The person interpreting them is always bringing a tradition to the table: a lens or paradigm through which he interprets the meaning of the passages. The prevailing tradition, both Catholic and Protestant, on the question of premarital sex, has been firmly on the sex-within-marriage-only side.

So far, so good. But enter the millennials. The Christian principles which have undergirded our society’s culture have eroded away to a substantial degree. Those of us who grew up in the preceding generations did so in a milieu where traditional mores and norms were still widely accepted as right (even if people rebelled against them–they at least knew that they were rebelling). Millennials are growing up in a different environment. Those old ties are weaker. The power of the conservative Protestant denominations has waned, and affiliations with mainline and major Evangelical denominations has fallen by the wayside.

The pervasive Protestant paradigm that interpreted the Scriptures as forbidding premarital sex is beginning to lose its force. That is the cultural shift we are seeing, exemplified by young adults like my friend Brandan, who wrote the original article toying with the idea that sex before marriage is okay in some situations.

Those Darn Catholics

Why do the Catholics always have to be right? Good question. It’s enough to know they are. The best way back to sanity for Protestants is to consider the Catholic Church’s claims. She makes a multi-tiered appeal for traditional sexual morality: Natural Law plus Scripture & Tradition.

The correct lens for interpreting the Scriptures is the one that God Himself provides: sacred Tradition as authoritatively understood by the Magisterium of the Church. There is no ambiguity or question. And the Church goes on the offensive as well. Not only is premarital sex denounced, but the beautiful, amazing, incredible truth of why sex should be within marriage is unveiled. St. John Paul II’s Theology of the Body is a powerful explanation of this truth. Notably, he drew from the philosophy of Natural Law, Scripture, and Tradition to make his arguments.

The Slope Really Is Slippery

I was a conservative/traditional Evangelical Protestant. So were all my friends at the time. So it would have been hard for me to fathom a Protestant like Brandan making an argument for premarital sex. Surely he is just off the deep end?

Yet, in the years since becoming Catholic I have been dismayed by even conservative Protestants arguing for all sorts of things: Contraception, sterilization, divorce and remarriage, and even masturbation. These are sola Scriptura Protestants who take the Scriptures seriously. Once sacred Tradition is jettisoned, and a faulty, human tradition put in place, the slope is greased up for a fast slide into sin and error.


The great thing is that, with Protestantism’s traditional and denominational ties loosening, Protestants like Brandan are becoming open to the Catholic Church. They don’t have the age-old grudges against the Church, and when they start to read the wisdom of the Church: the Catechism, lives of the Saints, the Church Fathers, the Councils, and so on, they are dumbstruck by its depth and beauty. God draws them to full communion.

So we as Catholics have the opportunity to invite them to read and listen to this wisdom, praying they will be able to see what we have seen, and that God wants them to see. The Church needs their gifts and energy to spread the Kingdom and become great saints.

As for the post from last week, mea culpa. I have a moderately large responsibility as a public writer to be careful in what I say. I got sloppy on that post and stretched the case against perspicuity too far.

When writing that post, I had Brandan’s new paradigm in mind more so than the old Protestant one, because Brandan’s world is the future of Protestantism. The two worlds have changed in hermeneutics.  The “old” model is more interested in the model of “interpret Scripture with Scripture” (which is how pornea’s use is rightly understood by the old Protestant traditions–the Greek most plausibly denotes “fornication” to include premarital sex), and the new model is more enamored by explicit proof-texts (which hinders Brandan’s paradigm from realizing that the Bible forbids premarital sex).

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The Bible Is Tellingly Silent on Premarital Sex

brandrobMy blog friend Brandan Robertson has written a post about premarital sex and Evangelical Protestant culture. The summary is: 1) young people want to have sex, 2) Bible doesn’t say they can’t, 3) maybe they should be able to:

It is also stunning how silent scripture is on what the qualifications for sexual activity are. There is no word in Greek or Hebrew to refer to premarital sex and while the Bible is very clear that adultery is a sin, it has little to say about sex before one enters in to a marriage covenant.

How right he is, and yet how wrong. First, Brandan is right that it is very difficult to come to the conclusion that premarital sex is wrong from the Bible alone. This is the same quandary Martin Luther faced over polygamy, and Luther famously endorsed polygamy because he could find no condemnation of it in the Bible.

What is lacking is the authority of sacred Tradition and the Church’s Magisterium. The Church has consistently taught that sexual intercourse is reserved for marriage alone. That is God’s design. St. John Paul II wrote his landmark Theology of the Body explaining this in beautiful detail. The serial monogamy that Brandan proposes as a possibility can never be moral.

Why not? Because we are made to give ourselves freely, fully, fruitfully, and faithfully. Serial monogamy presupposes that children won’t arise from the sexual act. What if they do? That’s the first clue that something is wrong with it. The child will likely be deprived of the father or mother that he or she deserves.

I wrote about this type of Protestant dilemma in my book. The problem is that, going off the Bible alone, nothing says you cannot have sex before marriage. Nor multiple wives. Nor a host of other things. Protestants are realizing that they have been following a Protestant tradition when they reject non-marital sex, and that that tradition–if Protestantism is true–is only a human one. Therefore it is a discardable.

Because Catholicism is true, Tradition is authoritative and the decisions of the Magisterium are binding. And the Tradition that sex outside of marriage is immoral is true and right. Brandan’s a smart young fella. I think he’ll come to see this in time.

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